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SALFORD LISTED YE OLDE NELSON PUB NEXT FOR DEMOLITION
 

Star date: 12th April 2016

AFTER THE BLACK HORSE DEMISE YE OLDE NELSON IS NEXT

After Salford councillors last week sealed the demise of the Black Horse pub, the locally listed Ye Olde Nelson pub on Chapel Street, further along the road, is next for a death warrant, according to a Salford City Council planning report.

It was only recently that Phil Mayall, head of the English Cities Fund (ECf) which is leading the `redevelopment' of Chapel Street, said of the late Victorian pub, "it will be retained", while Councillor Derek Antrobus, head of planning added "It is essential that we preserve as many historic buildings as possible in the Chapel Street area..."

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When the massive redevelopment of Chapel Street was first announced in 2009, politicians queued up to explain that historic buildings would not be trashed...

Former Salford MP, Hazel Blears declared "Alongside the vital demolition work necessary to make the area safe, historic buildings and public spaces such as Ye Olde Nelson and Bexley Square will be revitalized and brought back into active use."

Councillor Derek Antrobus, head of planning for Salford Council, added: "Good planning means mixing the old with the new. It is essential that we preserve as many historic buildings as possible in the Chapel Street area. Our partners are making a good start in a transformation that will celebrate the old but also bring in a new, vibrant quarter."

As recently as 2013, Phil Mayall, head of the English Cities Fund (ECf), which is leading the `redevelopment' of Chapel Street, insisted; "We aim to demolish the buildings next to the Nelson. We have spent a time and money on an engineer and established it is structurally separate from the properties next door. At this stage we do not know how it will be developed but it will be retained, cleaned up, and made safe and secure."

Last week, however, a Salford Council planning report that sealed the fate of the locally listed Black Horse pub in the conservation area of the Crescent, broke the news that Ye Olde Nelson was next in line for trashing.

"The Black Horse is one of the three vacant historic public houses on Crescent and Chapel Street; the other two being the Bell Tower and Ye Old Nelson" it stated "All three of these buildings are locally listed – the Black Horse is the only one within a conservation area. The Bell Tower has been successfully refurbished as part of the Vimto Gardens development by English Cities Fund. ECF have recently notified the Council of its intention to demolition (sic) Ye Old Nelson."

The English might not be great but the meaning is clear. And it will probably see the end of another historic Salford pub.

Originally dating from 1805, the Nelson Tavern was named after Lord Nelson who died at Trafalgar that year. It was re-built in 1899, opened in 1905 and closed for good in 2003. Now it looks set to be wiped off the map completely...with the words of Hazel Blears et al rolling down Chapel Street... "historic buildings and public spaces such as Ye Olde Nelson and Bexley Square will be revitalized and brought back into active use..."


*See also previous Salford Star article... Salford Council votes to Demolish Black Horse pub - click here

Steven Logan wrote
at 20:36:50 on 13 April 2016
Re Ye Olde Nelson, Raymond and Louisa left in 2002, immediately after this the pub was broken into and all the stock was stolen, not content with that, the thieves decided to set it on fire. So the pub has been derelict since 2002, not 2003.
 
Tahir Chakotai (Independent Housing Advocate) wrote
at 11:15:04 on 13 April 2016
It's been four years since I leaked this information to the Salford Star about the Olde Nelson's future. (Demolishing) I am still the "estranged" son of one of the biggest developers in the country. So obviously I get to hear about any redevelopment plans, before the Salford Councils "Planning Committee". So you can imagine my lack of surprise, to read that they are going to knock down the "Olde Nelson". Let me explain how a "Developer" thinks. They purchase, or enter into a partnership, to buy a specific piece of land. Now if this plot of land has something Grade Listed built on it, they usually do the following. 1. If the Grade Listed Development is Leasehold and tenanted, they increase the ground rent to such a ridiculous amount, the tenants leave. 2. The Developer then allows the building to rot and decay. This is done by ensuring that the building is not as secure as it should be, so that it will be subject to vandalism and might even be burnt down at some point. 3. Once the Grade Listed Building is in a severe state of decay, they then apply to pull it down, and they place an argument / debate with the all the "Planning Bodies" that there is not enough of the building to rebuild, so they suggest that demolishing the structure is the best way forward. 4. The "Planning Bodies" agree and the Grade Listed structure gets pulled down. Thus freeing up the land to build overpriced, basic standard, Chipboard, Brick, and Glass constructs, which, in my opinion, are aesthetically insulting to ones eye, but do make the "Developer" a great deal of profit. The lesson to be learnt here is, "Don't Judge a book by it's cover". Take notice of everyone, and listen carefully to what they have to say. I live in a Social Landlord Council Block, however just because I am not filthy rich, does not mean that I am not the estranged son of a multimillionaire. What separates me and my father is "Professional Ethics", and the fact he is a self confessed "Homophobic". I possess "Professional Ethics", so I defend and the "Disabled", "Vulnerable", "Elderly" and "Destitute", who live in Salford. However a "Corporate Developer" is only interested in one thing, which is "How Much Profit Can I Make From A Plot Of Land", to which there is nothing wrong with that line of thought, if that is the person you want to be. However all the MP's in all of Britain cannot stop a Grade Listed Building being demolished, as the "Developer" who owns the land and the building are ultimately in charge of the future of that building. If they want it pulled down, they just allow it to be vandalised, till it is in such a state it gets demolished. Empty land, is worth more than land with Grade Listed Buildings and sitting tenants. In my opinion, you should not take too much notice of what the MP's, Local Councillors, or the Local Papers have to say. If you want to know the future of a building or a plot of land "Contact Land Registry", find out who owns that land, and ask the owner what his intentions are. In other words, "Don't talk to the Monkey, talk to the Organ Grinder".
 
Michael J Felse wrote
at 11:13:23 on 13 April 2016
I agree with you Mary, but why are our elected Councillors not as proud as those in Chester or York. Salford Councillors must hang their heads, shamed through betraying their local voters.
 
Tracey wrote
at 10:00:01 on 13 April 2016
Use your vote on 5 May and get rid of these Labour councillors. Well said Mary keep up the good work
 
Andrew Webster wrote
at 07:36:18 on 13 April 2016
The blueprint of such people say the truth in that, 'we will preserve as many buildings as possible' could mean ANY number. Including none. Those who have 'stood up' have been released of duty, whilst those who are insipid, controllable and/or weak remain.
 
mary ferrer wrote
at 07:36:08 on 13 April 2016
the way things are going we won't have any of old Salford left. If theses buildings were in chester or York,I don't think their councillors would just sit back and allow it to happen. I dont know what kind of people we have running this city.They have no vision they can't see new and old working hand in hand. They are a load of brain dead morons who only care about the quays and keeping PEEL happy.
 
J wrote
at 07:35:48 on 13 April 2016
They were very pleased with themselves for "saving" it in 2009. http://s28.postimg.org/7r5db07j1/pub_big.jpg
 
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