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SALFORD TOWER BLOCK INSULATION COULD NOW BE REMOVED IN NEW FIRE SAFETY ADVICE
 

Star date: 5th July 2017

GM FIRE SERVICE SAYS 'REMOVE INSULATION' IF CAN'T PROVE IT'S SAFE

With aluminium cladding being removed from tower blocks in Salford, new advice from the Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service states that "Where providers are unable to confirm the fire performance of the insulation, we recommend that the entire system should be removed, including insulation".

This advice comes as City West states that it has "taken the decision to suspend the removal of affected ACM cladding" given the 'unclarity' of advice, while Pendleton Together continues to remove the panels. Confused?

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Confusion is currently permeating all attempts at tower block fire safety in Salford, with different housing associations practicing differing responses to the aluminium cladding crisis.

The Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service has issued a statement to the Salford Star, basically advising companies to remove, not only the aluminium panels but also the insulation attached to the exterior of buildings, unless they are satisfied that it's fire safe...

"Following the terrible tragedy at Grenfell Towel in London, Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service (GMFRS) has received a number of inquiries to provide guidance around the removal of cladding which contains aluminium compound material weather shield panels in high-rise residential properties" a spokesperson says

"Specifically, advice has been sought as to whether the entire system, including insulation, should be removed or if it is sufficient to remove weather shield panels alone" they add "A number of housing providers have removed the weather shield panels from residential high-rise premises as a precautionary measure following a review of their fire risk assessment.
 
"Where housing providers have decided to remove the weather shield panels only but leave the insulation in place, they must be satisfied it is non-combustible material, or that it will not provide a medium for fire spread" they explain "Where providers are unable to confirm the fire performance of the insulation, we recommend that the entire system should be removed, including insulation.

"It is strongly recommended that any housing provider that has removed the weather shield panels only should assess the remaining insulation to ensure it is not a fire hazard or remove it" the Fire Service concludes "Regardless of what action is taken, the fire risk assessment must take these matters into account and be updated accordingly."

City West, which the Salford Star now believes has twelve blocks that have failed the Government's fire test*, has decided to suspend all removal of cladding...

"The advice around ACM panels and cladding systems is now somewhat unclear and until this is clarified we have taken the decision to suspend the removal of affected ACM cladding" the company states on its website "We will not be starting the removal on any further blocks.

"This will remain the case until we have clearer guidance on the kinds of panels we can use as a replacement and we are certain that removing the affected panels is the best and safest option" it adds.

Meanwhile, Pendleton Together has also updated its website, with a new 'fact sheet' for residents...

"Work has now started on the blocks to remove the cladding panels" it states "Work is being overseen by an independent expert on fire safety, Trident BC. In the first instance we will be removing cladding as far up as it is safe to do so. As soon as we have a timescale of works confirmed with our contractors we will provide residents with further information...

"...Sourcing replacement materials and working up a plan for remedial works to the external elevations of the block is underway" it adds "...Trident BC has been undertaking inspections in a number of flats. As a result of their findings we will be considering whether works are required internally to improve safety further."

In the meantime, Pendleton Together has put in place "a range of additional fire safety measures "including the 24/7 fire marshal patrols and we are in the process of carrying out a range of additional checks within flats and the blocks".

The other Salford housing association, Salix Homes, is stating nothing publicly, while Salford City Council has also issued no new statements.


* In the previous Salford Star article showing that Salford has the most fire safety failed blocks in the country, the Government stated that 29 of the city's blocks had failed, yet the Salford Star could only account for 24, including seven blocks owned by City West...

The Star added that "The Government was testing five blocks in City West's Barton Village, including Engels House and Enfield House, but the results have not been relayed to tenants yet".

In today's statement, City West notes that "In the last week the fire service have visited all 12 high rise blocks in Eccles and carried out detailed inspections in order to attain assurance about the fire safety arrangements on all 12 blocks and the measures we have in place..."

This assumes that the five Barton Village blocks have also failed the fire safety testfor a full background see previous Salford Star article and follow the links – click here


Bob Chadwick wrote
at 12:32:59 AM on Friday, July 7, 2017
What I think is happening here is that these people who own these blocks are all hoping that some boffin from the ministry of bullshit and boffins is going to come up with some miracle cure that can be applied to the insulation and cladding and make it all proper and fireproof. It ain't going to happen.These idiots have been had over. The thing is they will now blame other people and try and claim off them. The lawyers will have a feast with these clowns.
 
The P.I.G. (politically incorect green) wrote
at 6:55:14 AM on Thursday, July 6, 2017
"how much more" is indeed correct.The only safe insulation is rockwool. The ideal combination is rockpanel on outside cladding, and rockwool insulation inside.I understand rockpanel was used at thorn court as chamelion is one of rockpannels products. underneath, is safe-r. this is a fire treated product which gives off low smoke and is less combustable than other foams. but it still burns.once its behind a plastic screen, a fire hose cannot put it out. In using safe-r ,which is expensive at around £100 a sheet, it shows that in the mind of whoever specified it, they had considered the fire risk. I do not have the price of rockwool to hand , but it cannot be more expensive than Safe-r. these people just had a bit of knowledge, but they just got it wrong. On canon hussey, it is the other way about. it has rockwool insulation, and god knows what on the out side. Even with the perfect combination of rockwool and rockpanel, i still have my doubts because of the draught ,chimney , suction effect of the inside cavity. When i was a kid, i lived in one of these tower blocks.I saw them being built. They were cleaner and warmer than the run down old terraced housing We had before. And the inside bog plus a bath instead of the old tin bath clinched it. They had no character though. It was just a social engineering idea imported from behind the iron curtain. Something to keep the working classes in their rightful order. As I grew older, I began to detest them, longing for the day when they would be pulled down and decent housing built. When i saw kersal blown up, I thought well what a waste of money, but perhaps lessons have been learnt the hard way. We now know they were not. When they started to clad them, I began to believe that I would never see the end of them. Even now , if I live to be 100 I don,t think my wish will come true.Never mind.
 
how much more wrote
at 3:01:41 AM on Thursday, July 6, 2017
If the insulation is rockwool( loft type fiber) it is fire proof. If it is expanded form or is covered with any sort of plastic then the whole building is a death trap. The fire marshalls are a complete waste of time because they could never evacuate all residents/visitors in 15 minutes. You add on top of all the other failures, like broken fire doors, gas pipes strap to the side of buildings and a large gas builder on the roof then there is not much chance of anyone surviving. The fire service should force the re-housing on the grounds of house dangerous the Council has allowed these homes to become.
 
Cladding Wonder Woman wrote
at 11:59:05 PM on Wednesday, July 5, 2017
Let's get this right. The city council refurbished all of its Tower Blocks by cladding and thermally insulating them, which has taken a considerable amount of time and caused a massive disruption and noise nuisance to most of its tenants, then they decide, the minute they finish the building, to strip off the cladding and now the insulation, leaving all the tenants back to square one. So the Salford Council took properties with damp and condensation problems, fitted highly flammable cladding to the blocks along with insulation and are now pulling it all back off so the tenants will once again get condensation and damp problems within their properties. And the Salford Council have the cheek to say they are short on money!!! I cannot wait for the Salford Star to print the story that explains how much money it will cost the Salford Council to put this mess right!!! But I do hear they have enough money to build themselves a 200 million pound building. So that's all right then!!! I say move all the employees of the Salford Council into one of their not so cladded nor insulated Tower Blocks and see how long they last!!!!
 
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