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Star date: 15th December 2016

GIGGS AND NEVILLE GET RUBBISH DUMPED ON THEM AS SALFORD CITY STADIUM APPROVED

Salford councillors voted almost overwhelmingly in favour of planning permission to double the capacity of Salford City's stadium today, amidst fury from local residents - and Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs being handed a bin liner full of rubbish collected from Moor Lane.

In the meeting Gary Neville said he was trying to "do something special in our local area" and would "confront the challenges". But speaking afterwards, David Mintz, of the Kersal Moor Residents Association said the process was "bent from the beginning" and didn't rule out standing a community candidate in the forthcoming by-election "to make our feelings known to the local council".

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Despite over six hundred objections in letters and petitions, today Salford councillors on the planning panel voted through proposals by Salford City FC to double the capacity of its Moor Lane stadium from 2,163 to 5,172. Only one councillor voted against the plans, while another abstained.

Earlier, residents had spoken passionately in opposition to the plans, stating issues of car parking and traffic, potential anti-social behaviour, noise and lack of consultation.

As eighty residents crammed into the meeting room, Moor Lane's Alice Searle spoke first, citing the "right for people to live pleasantly and peacefully where a football ground wasn't dominating their lives" before adding that the protected Kersal Moor was likely to be damaged from litter.

She then presented Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs with a bin liner full of fresh litter collected from outside the ground. The bin liner was tied with a red ribbon, while the `gift tag' read `Happy Xmas Mr Neville and co. This is yours I believe...' Their `people' quickly batted the offending bag away.

As the ex-footballers recovered, Councillor Howard Balkind told the panel that the report in front of them was "biased towards the applicants". He took issue with an amendment to the planning application, only released to objectors last night, in which Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM), which had previously slated the traffic plan put forward by the club, had done a u-turn... "Something must have been done or said that's not been made available to the residents" said Councillor Balkind.

Residents Mr and Mrs Gayle cited "insufficient parking" and the "impact on local people" and argued that the club's traffic plan was "minor tinkering measures". Reverend Lisa Batty, from St Paul's Church on Moor Lane, also mentioned parking and impressed the need to "make sure this will not damage our work".

David Mintz, from Kersal Moor Residents Association, called the Class of 92 a "commercial monster" and argued that residents had been ignored by both the club and Salford Council's planning department... "It's an act of injustice that the people of Salford will never forget" he said, adding that they had tried to "silence voices".

To much amusement, he quoted a local resident who said that he could read Gary Neville's autobiography in the dark with the curtains shut, such was the light from the stadium. "Only the pockets of the applicants themselves would benefit" from the stadium redevelopment, he concluded.

Resident Jonny Wineberg, talked of the lack of early and meaningful consultation and engagement by the club, while a representative of the orthodox Jewish Forum spoke about how their Saturday sabbath would be "disturbed", adding there would be a "real risk" of anti-semitic incidents.

Those in support of the planning application included Mr Flint, of Salford Quays, a lifelong supporter, who said that the Class of '92 was "putting money into grassroots football" and "will include the community if given a chance". Club President, Dave Russell, argued that the downsides of the proposals could be solved and said it was a "fantastic thing for Salford".

Local resident, Derek Brent, in favour of the application and involved with the club for thirty years said "This is a community club for the people...it's a facility that should be used". He added that, as a resident he could understand the parking problems but that "the ground was here when I moved in...this is progress. The thought of Gary and Ryan making money out of this is ridiculous..."

Finally, from the public supporters, Frank McCauley argued that the club was raising the profile of the city, explaining that people were coming to matches from Europe, Asia and America... "This is only good for the city" he concluded.

Next up was Gary Neville, who resides in Bolton, and argued that he had never shied away from challenges and "will continue to confront them whatever happens today", adding, post bin liner, that "litter has always been a shared concern; the idea that our fans and opposition fans litter the streets is unacceptable to us and unacceptable to residents".

He argued that the volunteers who work at the club had been "overwhelmed with what's happened to the club over the last few years in respect of promotions and the increasing size of the club something unexpected even to ourselves...

"When we do move towards full time status in the next six months we will make sure that we have a proper litter strategy...we will put bins outside and if we have to get the first team players and ourselves to pick up litter outside the ground we will do so; that is a commitment we will make."

With respect to anti-social behaviour, Neville admitted he was "shocked", adding that "it's the most peaceful friendly atmosphere in that football ground...there is no evidence of anti-social behaviour...I will be horrified if there was anti-social or anti-semitic behaviour...it will be absolutely stamped upon."

In terms of parking he admitted that the club "had to do something...we accept that we need to make a more pleasant environment...and will put measures in place...

"We want to do something beyond a football club, we will commit to opening this facility every single day for residents and the use of the community" he explained "...it's not our football club, it is the football club of the original fans, the committee, the residents and the people of Salford..."

"From our point of view the idea that this doesn't connect with the community would be an absolute disaster" he added "Success for us in this is not about making money it is about giving opportunity to local people to play football, enjoy the facilities and delivering something in the city that everyone can be proud of."

His sentiments were underlined by Ryan Giggs, who described himself as a `Salfordian Welshman'. He added that he had a commitment to the city... "We will be willing to open up the stadium to the community..."

The two local Kersal Councillors Peter Connor and Ann-Marie Humphreys, opposed the application on the grounds of an "inadequate" consultation and problems with traffic. In response, planning officers argued that there was no "absolute requirement" for consultation.

Meanwhile, Councillor Derek Antrobus explained that there were "two stories going on here... one a "commercial monster" and the other "a group of lads putting something back into grass roots football".

He concluded that the "only way to improve" the issues that residents were complaining about would be to pass the planning proposal which would have conditions attached to it to ensure Council control. He moved that the panel approve the application.

Councillor Bernard Lea moved to refuse the application on noise contamination grounds but got no backers from fellow councillors, while Councillor Wheeler tried to get the application deferred pending a "proper transport plan", and got no backers either. Councillor Hamilton said the stadium was a "no-brainer" and "too fantastic for Salford" to refuse.

The planning application was passed, with only Councillor Lee voting against and Councillor Wheeler abstaining.

After the meeting, David Mintz, on behalf of Kersal Moor Residents Association, was furious...

"It was gross miscarriage of justice on a huge scale" he said "It is the saddest day for democracy in Salford. The Council has admitted that there's never been this volume of objectors turn up to a planning meeting before. People came here to show their feelings and they've been ignored. They've been ignored in two reports, ignored in over 600 petition signatures, ignored in over 300 live objections to the application, as  the Council has actively sought ways in which to push this through.

"In my opinion they've been wowed by celebrity and taken the opinion of people who live outside the area instead of listening to the residents" he added "This makes me truly ashamed to be a citizen of Salford today.

"I've never sat in a planning meeting before" he explained "Our councillors stood up and opposed it which I'm pleased about but I've never seen a planning panel so hell bent on pleasing celebrities. The chairman actively sought to twist a way around every objection, and actively stood there and tried to disprove them. The decision was made before we turned up here today, and that's the only thing that gives me any kind of comfort, to know that it was actually bent from the beginning."

The Kersal Moor Residents Association is now seriously considering standing a candidate in the forthcoming local Kersal by-election...

"It's very possible" he said "We need to make our feelings known to the local council and that's one way of doing it. After what I've seen today I don't believe there is a single councillor who speaks for the people..."



Before the meeting, Gary Neville approached the editor of the Salford Star and accused the publication of bias. The Salford Star tried to speak to him after the meeting but couldn't.

For a full background see previous Salford Star articles – click here and follow the links

Main photo shows Alice Searle addressing the public after her rubbish dump on the ex-United players

Daniel wrote
at 07:33:49 on 09 March 2018
If they kept this as their training ground and moved now it would mean they wouldn’t have to destroy the peaceful atmosphere on turn moss in Stretford. Is there no area within Salford where a training facility could be developed?
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Bayla wrote
at 19:32:39 on 19 December 2016
SalfordianDude, So in effect you are saying that success would force SCFC to move to somewhere bigger, leaving a stadium with a 5000+ capacity for youth/women/reserves teams? Can you honestly see that number of supporters turning up to watch those teams? I wish SCFC every success but I rather think that in that case we are going to be left with an enormous white elephant on our doorstep!
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Simon wrote
at 19:31:28 on 19 December 2016
SalfordianDude I appreciate that the Moor Lane site can be used by the club for other purposes once they decide to move. A BBC article acknowledged the ground could be used as an academy/training club once it is deemed unsuitable for the league matches. However, my point still stands, if the club envisage that the stadium will not be fit for purpose in 10 years time then why not move now and avoid this unpleasantness for the residents for the next 10-15 years. By all means keep the current site as a training ground, in it current format. The parking issue cannot be dropped just like that. Who is going to police the parking permits? Who is going to pay for that service? (hopefully not public money). Also, IF the permits are effective, are we not moving the problems onto our neighbours and is this fair? New premiership grounds are built out of town and away from residential areas for a reason. Here too is an opportunity for Salford to redevelop where they can be supported by better public transport and on a ground that will be fit for purpose beyond 10 years!
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SalfordianDude wrote
at 20:36:07 on 18 December 2016
Ann, if you were at the meeting you will understand that the parking situation would not of changed has the proposal not been approved. You will also understand that the owners of the club fully acknowledge the parking crisis around the ground. This will be resolved as it's part of the proposal and will need to be adhered to, which will be pursued by the council. Think the argument about parking needs to be dropped now as it will be addressed. Where the parking is moved to should now be irrelevant as Moor Lane and Nevile Road will be less congested. Let's move forward now!
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SalfordianDude wrote
at 20:35:31 on 18 December 2016
Simon, if the club was to be successful and have to move stadiums to fulfil it's potential, the owners stated at the Planning Meeting that the stadium would then be used for the youth/woman/reserve teams etc. So the stadium, irrespective of where the senior team will play their games, will still be used by the club. Parking wise, look at premiership clubs.... very rarely you can park outside the ground, supporters have to park a mile or 2 away and walk to the ground. So this is no different for us Salford fans, as we will park elsewhere and walk to the stadium.
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ann wrote
at 08:01:04 on 18 December 2016
What I would like to know is, who will take the responsibility if someone needs to get to hospital, in say a life threatening situation and the ambulance can not get anywhere near their house because fans have parked on both sides of the road or should a house fire happen how could the fire brigade access the building? Is the council responsible with all the costs that it could entail as it passed the redevelopment plans or are the Salford City owners responsible? There have been no solutions put forward regarding the parking situation and it will be horrendous in the future if this development goes ahead. None of the points that were made by the Kersal residents spokes persons so eloquently were addressed by the planning committee, we might as well not have been there at all not withstanding that there were eighty of us who represented hundreds more!
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at 08:00:24 on 18 December 2016
Tangerine Dream, I'm sorry that you took offence to the suggestion that a larger stadium would possibly mean an increase in anti-semitism. This was certainly not directed at the SCFC supporters; having lived in the area for well over thirty years I can honestly state that I am unaware of any such incident involving a SCFC supporter. No intentional slur was intended on the football club nor its supporters. However, it has been well-documented elsewhere that there is anti-semitism rife in football - I refer you to two articles, one from the Telegraph from 16 months ago http://tinyurl.com/jk29rfb and one from the Guardian from just 10 days ago http://tinyurl.com/zwtl2r6 Unfortunately anti-semitism does occur in Prestwich & Salford and is most definitely under-reported presumably because once again the use of telephones is prohibited on the Sabbath. It is not an unusual occurrence for people walking to or from synagogue or visiting friends to have abuse shouted at them from passing cars or by passersby. The Kersal Moor residents are therefore understandably concerned that hundreds more people pouring into the area on Saturdays in particular, especially opposition supporters who may not be familiar with the customs & dress of the Jewish community might lead to an increase in anti-semitic incidents.
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Simon wrote
at 07:55:56 on 18 December 2016
To TangerineDream, I must tell you that as an orthodox Jew walking the area on the sabbath, at least once every couple of months people DO shout antisemitic abuse from their cars. Its not an issue with Salford City FC fans necessarily but there will be visiting fans to the area, so please don't take it a slur on the club. Remember we are talking about level of risk. As far as "scraping the barrel" is concerned, not to belittle the increase risk of antisemitism, there are plenty of other reasons to oppose. You have to ask yourself is this really a good site to develop the stadium on. Consider the long term plans of the club are to move to another stadium within 10-15 years time - is it really worth causing issues with local residents for short term facilities? Can you honestly say, with your hand on heart, that the parking issue has been resolved? OK so we as residents will have parking permits imposed on us - and then we have to hope that they are policed effectively (at taxpayers expense). But what about the fans, where will they park? Should there not be something more concrete in place (excuse the pun) before giving permission for a facility holding 5000 people to be developed? How do you get to the stadium yourself? What about your fellow fans? Where do they park to see a game? I wish the team well, and I agree that Salford FC doing well is good for Salford, the objectors are not saying otherwise. However, if you continue to do well and have to move in 10 years time why allow this to cause so much upset.
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TangerineDream wrote
at 21:08:29 on 16 December 2016
I find the suggestion that the development of a football stadium would "increase the risk of anti semitic incidents" as grossly offensive and a slur against the good name of Salford City supporters. To bring religion into this scenario really is scraping the barrel of outrageous reasons to prevent the redevelopment of Moor Lane. Just a few seasons ago we had a Jewish player turn out for us - albeit only on a few occasions - but Leor Sidle was an extremely popular individual with the home supporters and never once experienced any problems. Secondly we had an incident - again just a few seasons ago - when some oppositions fans made some disparaging remarks about Prestwich and its inhabitants only to be then put rightfully in their place by Salford supporters and officials with the police then being called to deal with the culprits. The individual who raised this as an issue should hang his head in shame!
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Proud Salfordian wrote
at 20:44:53 on 16 December 2016
When referring to the majority I mean that there are more people who will benefit from the new facility than be negatively affected by it (and after 3.5M people watched salford in the cup last year I think most people now know where moor lane is). Even now there are far more fans attending games and want the club to progress than people who object to the change. In the future these numbers will be greater so this is the right decision for the majority allowing greater percentage of the local population to attend a match with modern facilities (and use it for other things). I understand some concern about the changes but believe these can be alleviated. I believe the owners are investing to give something back to a community they feel a connection with - this is great opportunity and while we should absolutely challenge and make sure the traffic and noise solutions are the best they can be we should also embrace this as a positive opportunity for our city.(for the record I am not a 'He')
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A Hope wrote
at 18:18:24 on 16 December 2016
Proud salfordian claims the decision is right for the ‘majority of Salfordians’. Majority? I fear his grasp of arithmetic is lacking. The new stadium capacity, and it is doubtful if will often full, amounts to 2.1% of the population of Salford. Not quite a majority of the population. I doubt if most people of Salford even knew where Moor Lane was before this controversy erupted.
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Proud salfordian wrote
at 13:43:21 on 16 December 2016
Well said Salforddude. Great to see the right decision for the majority of Salfordians. There are many local residents who support the club and want this to go ahead the people interviewed in the article don't speak for everyone. If we are talking about democracy the new facility will benefit far more people than it will upset. Salford City fans don't want to play at the AJ Bell (most of Salford Rugby fans didn't want to play there either) it's a nightmare to get to and has its own transport problems. Moor Lane has a sporting history going back hundreds of years surely we dont want this to change to alternative use (there would be houses on there before you could blink). I have every faith in the owners staying true to their commitments and investing to minimise any negative impact on the local community. I am looking forward to a successful future with many great days for the people of Salford to celebrate together.
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Bayla wrote
at 13:42:12 on 16 December 2016
And further, in respect to the objector getting Mr Giggs signature - it's not double standards, this just strengthens our point! We are NOT anti-football, we are NOT against SCFC. Many of us have watched our sons play there in years gone by, but that option isn't open to them any more as the club has evolved from the community club it once was. And what self-respecting grandmother would pass up the opportunity to get Ryan Giggs signature for her Man Utd. supporting grandson!
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brianfkirkham@sky.com wrote
at 13:41:32 on 16 December 2016
Salford Senser has a fantastic idea there, apart from a couple of tiny little oversights. Firstly, I approached the idea of a Groundshare with the rugby team a while back, but this was discounted out of hand by some in the RL community who having been shipped out to Barton from the Willows - wanted to keep the 'community' stadium to themselves (Quite forgetting of course, who paid for it!) . There are a number of clubs using that place already, (Man Utd's Reserves on occasion) and you would need to approach the delicate Ego of Salfords new owner to even enter some negotiation on its use.
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Bayla wrote
at 13:40:45 on 16 December 2016
Dear Salfordian Dude, Can I point out two things? If you were at the meeting you would have heard Alice Searle state that the volunteers from the Friends of Kersal Moor go out collecting the rubbish about eight times a year, not after every match. I regularly walk around the area & can testify to the fact that the litter can lie around for weeks after a match! Secondly, if you knew anything about Jewish practice, you would know that the Jewish people attending synagogue on a Saturday do not use their cars because driving is prohibited - they are not the ones blocking the pavements & driveways & road corners!
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Wendy Olsen wrote
at 06:02:34 on 16 December 2016
Salford green party oppose this because locals opose it, and because of noise; damage to wildlife;litter; future carparks on green land; and the fact that it is unnecessary. Jason Reading, our candidate in the Byelection, has consistently argued against rampant Construction when we need: flood defenses; solar panels and insulation; safe cycle routes and an end to poverty and deprivation in Salford. Wendy Olsen
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Alice wrote
at 06:02:27 on 16 December 2016
In spite of evidence of the unsuitability of the Moor Lane site for development and the definite unsuitability of the surrounding roads with the lack of parking, the plan,to double the capacity of the club, was accepted. The objections were over 600 and approximately eighty protesters turned up to the Civic Centre to show their objection. To my amazement the Councillors seemed subdued, offered little debate and meekly accepted the direction of the Leader of Planning. It seemed to me to be predecided. The obsessive drive to 'elevate Salford' meant that the opinions of the residents of Kersal were ignored. Democracy was trashed and sold out to celebrity status. To Salford Sensor. I agree, but it seems Gary Neville MUST have Moor Lane.
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SalfordianDude wrote
at 06:01:18 on 16 December 2016
In response to Salford Sensor.... As a Salford fan, and speaking on behalf of what most fans would be thinking, we don't want to move to ground that has no history. Moor Lane is our stadium, and why should we move? The story above eludes to a comment David Mintz says, "In my opinion they've been wowed by celebrity and taken the opinion of people who live outside the area instead of listening to the residents" he added "This makes me truly ashamed to be a citizen of Salford today." Well, it was some of his objectors that before the meeting was held were asking for autographs, haha talk about DOUBLE STANDARDS. Jewish objectors were complaining about their Sabbath which falls on a Saturday and is considered their day of rest.... well I'm not Jewish, but believe it or not Saturday is my day of rest too, and I like watching my local football team. What does a day of rest even mean? Alice Searle who brought her bag of trash for Neville and Co.... she said that bag of rubbish was collected around Kersal Moor yesterday... well our last home game was 9 days ago, not exactly litter from visiting fans is it? Instead of complaining, why not embrace the investment and a place which is going to pin Salford well and truly on the map. Most of the objectors there today were Jewish, when they all attend the Synagogue and park all down Moor Lane and surrounding streets, isn't that a problem, but not one single person mentioned that. I'm glad the right decision was made today by the council, and look forward to watching Salford City FC bringing the community closer together.
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Salford Senser (not Censor!) wrote
at 21:10:56 on 15 December 2016
To save money for Salford City FC AND protect the environment of those living near the existing Moor Ln ground - and to gain Salford City FC funds by selling that ground - why doesn't Salford City Council and their business partners/stakeholders permit Salford City FC to play their home matches at the AJ Bell Stadium? It is a ready-made stadium for increased crowd capacity for Salford City FC to build on its successes! This would appear to be the logical solution to an issue that, if not explored, would lead to upsetting many people and extremely costly to Salford City FC, Salford City Council and the voters and residents of Kersal. Time to think outside the box! Otherwise an own-goal will be scored!!
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